Слово чушпана: conspiracy theory
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izardLet's imagine, for a moment, that the late Soviet KGB was not simply a group of bureaucratic careerists, resembling characters from "Our Man in Havana." Instead, consider it as an omnipresent and possibly self proclaimed benevolent force that started working to counter the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.
They recognized that the traditional institutions, such as the Army, the Communist Party, the Police, and even the KGB itself, were all corroded and incapable of withstanding the impending collapse. However, they were well aware of how the Cultural Revolution in China and death squads in Latin America operated to alter the course of complex social dynamics.
It's widely believed that the "Kazan phenomenon" was inspired and/or guided by the KGB, which could explain why it took the police so many years to develop effective countermeasures. Additionally, the complex and effective social norms and language exhibited by these gangs could not have emerged overnight in Kazan, Naberezhnye Chelny, Cheboksary, and later Ulyanovsk. For such a grassroots movement, it would have taken years, if not decades, for these dynamics to flourish. I remember the rituals, language, written and unwritten social norms of the Soviet young pioneer organisation, and the gangs were comparable in complexity and far surpassing in pervasiveness.
But what if there was a long-term, intricate KGB operation to prepare a social cadre movement that could be used to counter the violence that would inevitably erupt during the Soviet Union's collapse? This theory could explain everything:
A whole generation of young males, starting as young as 10 or 12 years old, were placed in extreme settings and closely monitored by a hierarchy of higher-ups. This served as an effective HR sieve and a totalitarian indoctrination system simultaneously. In some districts, nearly 100% of males were recruited into the gangs (I take this opportunity to send regards to the "Психквадрат" and "Поселок"). The slight differences in gang organizations and traditions among the three main cities could be attributed to variations in the experimental parameters. Ultimately, instead of the late Soviet Union's formal "dossier," every male could have had a comprehensive psychological profile collected, identifying natural leaders, potential grey eminences, and obedient foot soldiers accurately.
By the way, I've always been intrigued by the size of the KGB building (and the apparent large number of personnel there) in the center of Cheboksary in the 1980s. It always seemed like an overkill for such a small city.
Hypothesis: Perhaps this intricate KGB operation didn't achieve its intended results because the collapse of the Soviet Union started just 1-2 years earlier than the KGB operation was nearing completion. The timing might have been a critical factor in the success or failure of this ambitious endeavor.
They recognized that the traditional institutions, such as the Army, the Communist Party, the Police, and even the KGB itself, were all corroded and incapable of withstanding the impending collapse. However, they were well aware of how the Cultural Revolution in China and death squads in Latin America operated to alter the course of complex social dynamics.
It's widely believed that the "Kazan phenomenon" was inspired and/or guided by the KGB, which could explain why it took the police so many years to develop effective countermeasures. Additionally, the complex and effective social norms and language exhibited by these gangs could not have emerged overnight in Kazan, Naberezhnye Chelny, Cheboksary, and later Ulyanovsk. For such a grassroots movement, it would have taken years, if not decades, for these dynamics to flourish. I remember the rituals, language, written and unwritten social norms of the Soviet young pioneer organisation, and the gangs were comparable in complexity and far surpassing in pervasiveness.
But what if there was a long-term, intricate KGB operation to prepare a social cadre movement that could be used to counter the violence that would inevitably erupt during the Soviet Union's collapse? This theory could explain everything:
A whole generation of young males, starting as young as 10 or 12 years old, were placed in extreme settings and closely monitored by a hierarchy of higher-ups. This served as an effective HR sieve and a totalitarian indoctrination system simultaneously. In some districts, nearly 100% of males were recruited into the gangs (I take this opportunity to send regards to the "Психквадрат" and "Поселок"). The slight differences in gang organizations and traditions among the three main cities could be attributed to variations in the experimental parameters. Ultimately, instead of the late Soviet Union's formal "dossier," every male could have had a comprehensive psychological profile collected, identifying natural leaders, potential grey eminences, and obedient foot soldiers accurately.
By the way, I've always been intrigued by the size of the KGB building (and the apparent large number of personnel there) in the center of Cheboksary in the 1980s. It always seemed like an overkill for such a small city.
Hypothesis: Perhaps this intricate KGB operation didn't achieve its intended results because the collapse of the Soviet Union started just 1-2 years earlier than the KGB operation was nearing completion. The timing might have been a critical factor in the success or failure of this ambitious endeavor.
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Date: 2024-01-01 09:37 pm (UTC)As with other conspiracy theories, it involves a common idea into which lots of people secretly believe and act upon. It's Russia. Everybody for himself, except for the idiots. I'd classify it as just a Brown movement, with the cultural background involved - after all, the Golden horde came from somewhere there, so the culture remained.
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Date: 2024-01-01 09:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-01 10:03 pm (UTC)эта гипотеза предполагает, что гебня исходила из принципа целесообразности и достигала своих целей когеррентными усилиями строго иерархической структуры.
Теперь вспомним, что в позднем совке цели формулировались ЦК КПСС в форме "наша цель коммунизм" и свести их автоматически к конкретным подцелям было невозможно без содержательной дискуссии в рамках полномочного органа внутри самой гебни. А такой орган представить себе невозможно в принципе.
Таким образом, все локальные задачи и цели определялись гебней на местах из принципа "кто в лес, кто по дрова". А если что и кажется внутренне логичным, то оно случилось сихийно, а не по чьей-то разумной воле.
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Date: 2024-01-01 10:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-02 01:16 am (UTC)The soviet system corroded, but not because it was afraid of violence.
The soviet system lacked motivation to protect itself.
"Gang schools" taught people to disrespect the soviet system, and, therefore, contributed to the soviet system collapse.
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Date: 2024-01-02 04:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-02 08:25 am (UTC)Are you sure?
"Hongweibing" is the same as "Red Guards" correct?
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Date: 2024-01-02 04:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-02 04:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-03 05:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-03 05:31 am (UTC)Do you mean that one faction of CCP used Red Guards in order to make them disrespect another faction of CCP?
Who are "them" in this context?
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Date: 2024-01-03 05:38 am (UTC)organised youth force used as violent wing of one of CCP factions against another (e.g. Deng). Disrespect was an understatement back then.
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Date: 2024-01-03 05:57 am (UTC)So it was hate/disrespect towards only one of the wings of CCP.
Not complete disrespect toward the whole Communist party how it happened in 1989-1990 in Soviet Union.
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Date: 2024-01-03 05:58 am (UTC)Also why 1989-1990? Most of the action was around 1983-1985
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Date: 2024-01-03 06:13 am (UTC)Most USSR disintegration trends were set in 1989-1991.
Specifically:
1) free press that started to publish dirt about communist regime.
2) Weakening of KGB.
3) Weakening of communist party.
> Most of the action was around 1983-1985
What kind of action was around 1983-1985?
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Date: 2024-01-03 06:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-01-03 07:58 am (UTC)It is when these gangs went into full force - then it significantly affected the situation.